We answer some question of [Gi]. The upper bound of [Gi] on the strength of N S µ + precipitous for a regular µ is proved to be exact. It is shown that saturatedness of N S ℵ 0 κ over inaccessible κ requires at least o(κ) = κ ++. The upper bounds on the strength of N S κ precipitous for inaccessible κ are reduced quite close to the lower bounds.

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